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The Silos/Part 2

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The RCA record. The result of the Gainsville sessions.

The Gainesville Sessions–(The following post is a continuation of my January 5th posting).  In my opinion The Silos of the late 80’s/early 90’s were a one of a kind, rock ‘n roll band. The band’s music lay somewhere between The Stones, The Outlaws, and Gram Parsons.  I always felt that The Silos had unlimited potential and could have set the tone for a generation of guitar-driven rock bands.  Those of us involved with the band knew it outright.  Although our RCA record got great reviews, the way the Gainesville/RCA sessions unfolded was a complete disappointment.  The record was a dud.  The best recording of the band to this day is a series of live recordings, captured on tour by our soundman Joe Chinnici.  They’re not commercially released, but if you ever get your hands on them, you’ll hear for yourself.  This particular line-up of The Silos remained intact until 1992 and was a powerhouse on tour.  I stayed on a little longer (something I’m unfortunately prone to do) than did J.D. Foster and Bob Rupe, recording more tracks that ended up on subsequent Silos records.  My last tour with the band was a grueling six-week van tour of Germany, Austria, Spain and Switzerland.  The following is my story as the band’s drummer during this period and of our only major label recording. (Reprinted from the 1/5/10 posting, The Silos/Part 1.  It can be read here http://briandoherty.net/the-silospart-1/).

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We recorded at this abandoned theater. The marquee plugs our upcoming gig at a downtown club.

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Listening to playback after a long day. Is that Bob giving the "peace" sign?

We lived in the town of Gainesville, Florida while recording The Silos, “The one with the bird on the cover.”  We recorded at an abandoned, downtown theater.  We set up our gear in a large circle in the center of the stage.  Looking out into the darkness of the house we could see silhouettes of the theater seats.  We occasionally moved our gear to the hallways and lobby for tracking and overdubs.  J.D. and I spent days tracking in the basement of the building, isolated from the rest of the band.  Not exactly the life Rock stars.

Gainesville is a huge college town and has one of the largest biking communities in the world.  I rode my bicycle to work at the Florida Theater every day.  We enjoyed long lunches at joints called Coney Island and Sonny’s Barbeque.  In my spare time, I took leisurely jogs and swam in the pool.  This is also where I taught myself how to type.  There was significant down time so I bought an instructional book and practiced typing every day.  At the time, it was one way to escape boredom.  I became a good typist during the Gainesville sessions and, to this day, am thankful for this skill.

I shared a condo with bassist J.D. Foster and producer Peter J Moore.  J.D. introduced me to some great music during this time.  I remember constantly listening to the first Lucinda Williams recording and to New York by Lou Reed.  Today, when I hear these tracks I’m transported back to the condo with its rented furniture and shag rug.

The Rehearsals

Rehearsing for a recording involves band practice, scrutiny of instrumental parts and lots of experimentation. It’s a collaborative effort and could be satisfying when improvements are made.  Hopefully, the music will sound better too.

None of that happened for us.  I knew we were in trouble when the only suggestion Peter Moore gave us was to jam and noodle a while before rehearsing.   The producer is supposed to be the band’s musical guide and beacon.  After the first day, it was clear that we had another engineer and no producer in our midst.  Rehearsals from then on consisted of running through songs from beginning to end.  After the last note of a song, the band would wait for some direction or opinion.  When none came, we’d run through the same song once again.  This was our rehearsal routine, and the songs suffered because of it.

Peter J. Moore

Before producing our record, Peter J. Moore worked with The Cowboy Junkies.  There was an industry buzz about his recording technique because he used only one microphone.  No multi-tracking and no overdubbing.  Peter accomplished this with a Calrec Ambisonic microphone.  This microphone was unique in that it hears in a 360 degree radius, as opposed to most mics which hear a single field at which they’re pointed.  The use of this microphone was the only trick up Pete’s sleeve.  He set it up in the middle of the stage, where it remained like an oracle.

Otherwise, there was never a clear objective, and the air around the band was always tense.  Walter became the man with the final musical say.  He simply said “no” to everything.  Takes that satisfied the band were garbage to Walter.  Suggestions regarding arrangements and orchestrations were dismissed with a condescending look that signaled “You just don’t understand.”

After a while, J.D. and I began challenging Walter’s musical judgment.  He then became vague, often citing obscure musical references just to make situations more confusing.  The whole scene was bullshit, and no one was saying anything.  Bob and Walter were not really talking.  Walter had asked for complete control, had gotten it.  However, he didn’t know what to do with it.  To make matters worse, he wasn’t confident enough to ask for input or admit his mistakes.  The recording was a complete disaster.  Eventually, the subtext of every musical conversation with Walter was: “Deal with it or I’ll replace you.”  He would no longer be challenged by any of us.

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Recording the song Maybe Everything

There were a few musically fulfilling days during our month of recording in Gainesville.  Walter had become ill and did not show up for work.  Predictably, the tracks we laid in his absence would be squashed by him the very next day.

Grasshopper and the Master.  Things came into focus when it was revealed that during college, Walter spent some time studying in Gainesville and had become close to a professor who also had a band call The Vulgar Boatmen.  Unbeknownst to us, Walter had viewed this professor as a mentor of sorts.  In a sense recording in this town was Grasshopper’s way of showing the Master he had completed his journey and was now a man of the world.  Oy vey! I felt duped by this narcissist.  Walter’s master lurked at our sessions.  Later on tour, The Vulgar Boatmen would be our opening act.

Walter finally got his way and replaced J.D. and me on two songs: Go out of Town (here’s a live performance of the song with me on drums: http://briandoherty.net/the-silos-well-go-out-of-town/ ) and Caroline. After days of Walter kyboshing take after take, he finally jumped on my drum kit one night after I left and ordered tapes to roll.  Miraculously, he approved both final takes.  When I found out, I wasn’t surprised; instead, I asked to be properly credited as playing only on the tracks I worked on.  Instead the credits list Walter AND me as the drummers ON THE ENTIRE RECORD!  (See the scan of album credits below.)  To the listener, there was no way to tell his drum tracks from mine. 

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The Silos album credits. The listener can't discern my drum tracks from Walter's.

  

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Newsweek review.

   

The Outcome

In spite of everything I’ve written I want to say that The Silos was one of the best and most unique bands I’ve ever been in. There wasn’t a weak song in our repertoire and the fans were beyond dedicated.  Live, the band was on fire and we had loads of fun travelling.  From a musician’s standpoint one couldn’t ask for anything more.  Before joining The Silos, I toured with jazz artists like Jonathan Butler, Lonnie Liston Smith and Noel Pointer.  Jazz was relatively new to me at the time and I learned a lot by playing it.  My musical roots, however, were strictly Southern Rock.  In high school I listened exclusively to Molly Hatchet, Blackfoot, Lynard Skynard and .38 Special.  The band that struck me the most was The Outlaws.  Two drummers, a wall of guitars and pop/country vocal arrangements were all I could have wished for.  The Silos music had many elements of Southern Rock.  Joining the band, especially after years of playing jazz, was like a homecoming.

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My favorite snares wait for a good beating.

 

 

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The complete recording set up. Kenny Margolis, Walter, Bob Rupe, J.D. Foster, and Brian Doherty (l-r)

That might explain why I expected the RCA record to capture the essence of the band and why I was so disappointed when I heard the final mixes.  Honestly, I thought the record was horrible.  It was nowhere close to how we really sounded.  The irony was that we hired a producer whose specialty was capturing the essence of bands by using one microphone.  Like an old Miles Davis record.  Even with our vintage gear and our “authentic” recording technique, we ended up with dud of a record.

As far as the interpersonal stuff is concerned, I want the reader to realize that this was nothing unique in our situation.  Every band goes through this crap.  Sometimes it’s just a matter of how well they put up with it and how long they can work around it.  I had already been in a bunch of other bands and had experienced run away egos and self-absorbed musicians.  This wasn’t just a great band; it was also a tremendous opportunity that we mishandled.  Otherwise, I was well prepared to handle tough situations as it related to my work in The Silos.  It’s unfortunate that our efforts were squandered and our hard work didn’t pay off.

 

JD in our condo

WTF? J.D. in our condo.

 

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Stage right. Pete's office. He also fixed gear here.

 

My set up for the sessions

Vintage? Whatever. Nothing beats a Yamaha kick drum.

Walter Salas-Humara, Brian Doherty, Mark Zoltak, Bob Rupe

Walter, Brian Doherty, Mark Zoltak, Bob Rupe

Ed Baird-MVP

Engineer Ed Bair gets my vote for MVP.

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Peter Yianolis inside the mobile control room.

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Peter Moore and I listen to some playback.

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J.D and Bob at ease. The Calrec front and center.

     These were added 2/26/10, courtesy of Jim Johnson

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Bob waits for tape to roll

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Bob changing strings

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Engineer Peter Yianolis surveys my drum kit

Coming soon, the final blog of this series: School’s Out Tour, Who’s on Bass?, Good Press=Bad Sales, “Where’s Bob?” and Saved by Can You Fly.

Related links:

http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/album/137649/review/5943972/thesilos

http://briandoherty.net/the-silos-well-go-out-of-town/

http://briandoherty.net/the-silospart-1/

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  1. February 3rd, 2010 at 21:19 | #1

    The following comment from Mark Zoltak was sent via email. I’m posting it here with his permission:

    BD, LOVED your blog. “Nobody move, nobody get hurt”. It was well written. Honest. And speaks of the hope that we all had despite the hurdles created by WSH. It also speaks to me personally and loudly of the power of passive aggresive behaviour. WSH used such a tactic to assert control. But as you put it, “He didn’t know what to do with it once he had it.” Bob could also be quite inarticulate but I never saw it is a studied and manipulative strategy. Bob was just Bob and he truly was the “talent” of the band. WSH has a certain level of talent. I agree with you there. He is just not as talented as he thinks he is.
    I remember there was this point during that period where I would have converations in my own head, just thinking about the real possibilities of the ultimate success of this band. During these conversations I would sometimes have to convince myself that WSH was capable of the growth that would be essential to sustain a career that took the Silos out of the clubs and big bars and into the theaters and sheds. I had invested so much time and energy into my care of the band that I become a bit blind to the truth. When WSH and Bob came off of the plane from Toronto and I picked them up in my little Honda Prelude, they were carrying with them a cassette of the mixes for “the Silos”. I put the cassette in the player. I was instructed by WSH and Bob to level all the settings to “flat” which I did. It wasn’t more than one minute that I knew in my heart that it was over. Over for me at least. Compared to what was possible, this was the most dreadfully heartless music that I had ever imagined. Subsequent live shows further shaped my opinion that Bob was the only chance for this band to go anywhere other then where WSH, his “Dogs”, and his trust fund now find themselves. In fact, I will go so far as to say that WSH was afraid of what would have to be done for the Silos to take it to the next level and that is why he retreated. Better to be loved by a few than be honestly assessed by the many. His business practices were also manipulative and dishonest. He stole from me. I found this out only last month. That fact alone is sickening.

    Best,

    Mark

  2. February 3rd, 2010 at 21:19 | #2

    The following comment from Michael Krashes was posted on my Facebook page:

    Hey Brian, I enjoyed reading this, well done! I saw you guys at CB’s around this time. Perhaps it helps explain why the Silos are still going to this day, while this seemed to be their career peak…

  3. February 3rd, 2010 at 21:20 | #3

    The following comment from Bob Rupe was posted on my Facebook page:

    I have to admit that its a bit difficult to read some of this. Only because in retrospect, so much more may have been done that could have made the sessions, and the record, better. On the other hand, RCA was in such a sorry state as a label by the time the record was released, I doubt it would have made any difference at all.
    Im just glad Ive been blessed with the opportunity to work on so many good records since then, with so many creative and humble artists. I never lost faith that it was out there somewhere.
    Thanks again Brian for posting these recollections.

  4. February 3rd, 2010 at 21:21 | #4

    The following comment from J.D. Foster was posted on my Facebook page:

    Hey bro… tellin’ it like it was!!!!

  5. February 5th, 2010 at 23:28 | #5

    The following comment from Mark Zoltak was posted on my Facebook page (refering to the Newsweek review posted here):

    Bands and their managers would kill for this kind of publicity. Bri, I also want to respond to you about the whole Bill Flanagan angle to the Silos story. The Musician Magazine article should be found. I picked him up at the airport in Gainsville. He was a Silos fan and his story was practically written before he attended any of the sessions. I ran into him years later at a Warren Zevon concert. We discussed the Silos. To paraphrase him “the Silos hold no interest for him without Bob Rupe” The magic. The “thing” was the blend of their voices.

  6. February 6th, 2010 at 09:15 | #6

    The following comment from Reuben Frank was sent via email:

    The Silos story on your blog is mesmerizing to me, mainly because EVERYTHING you are writing I suspected as a very close listener to The Silos in the early days. There was a sense, to me as an outsider that the band had so much untapped potential – and that something was holding it back. I do know that the KCRW session from April 18, 1990, with you, Graham, Kenny, Bob and Walter, is simply one of the finest pieces of music I own.

  7. February 21st, 2010 at 14:19 | #7

    The following comment from Chase Whitaker was sent via email:

    Brian – Recently stumbled across your blog thru someone who shared an early 90s Silos show. Has been very interesting reading, and I’m also digging the MP3s you’ve shared from that Silos period.

    I also just “followed” you on Twitter. My name is @toomuchcountry.

    Gotta admit – the blog has been a tough read so far. I learned of The Silos at “the bird” RCA CD as did many. I backtracked to Cuba, and I’ve moved forward with everything since – including a couple of Walter’s solo CDs, two Vulgar Boatmen releases, the first Setters CD, etc.. I’ve met the guy 3-4x, and he’s always been super to me. Konrad Meisner, their current drummer, and the late Drew Glackin were just as nice as they could be to me as well in the limited instances I had to shake their hands too.

    Considering the difficulty its been over the years to learn more about The Silos beyond what’s pressed to a CD, I’ll take what I can get – the good, the bad, and the ugly. I appreciate your candor about the insight of those days.

    I have nothing to go on but tunes and a couple of “Hey man, how ya doing? My name is Chase.” encounters. But I’m also open minded enough to know being in a band can be a rough and tumble time vs. any harmonious vibe portrayed in videos or on stage.

    Keep the blog going as I’ve enjoyed your entries so far – even if they do rattle me a bit with my evaluation of the band. And hope to see you on Twitter as well.

    Chase Whitaker
    aka @toomuchcountry
    Franklin TN

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